Themes You Hate

topic posted Mon, April 26, 2004 - 4:08 PM by  Joy-Lyn
In movies, books and television entertainment, what theme of vampire do you get sick and tired of seeing?

I'm tired of main character vampires that are eternally pining for their lost humanity. These creatures are depressed, miserable, and sort of pathetic seeing as if they really felt their unlives weren't worth living, why go on for five hundred more years? Just expose yourself to the sun and be done with it.

And why does almost every "Undead and Lovin' it" vampire have to be a villan? Probably why I have a tender spot for "My Best Friend Is a Vampire".
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  • Re: Themes You Hate

    Wed, April 28, 2004 - 12:02 AM
    I tend to agree. As much as I liked the movie I'm not particularly fond of the romantic type of vampire as depicted in "Interview With a Vampire." The movie had examples of both types you're referring to.

    Other than that I generally dislike the whole "stake them and they explode unless it's inconvenient for the plot" like in the Buffy TV show, and the Blade movies. It's too clean and really doesn't make much sense. I liked the Vampires in "John Carpenter's Vampires" (not a great movie, but fun) it took a while for them to die. They had to be staked and then dragged into the sunlight before they would be incinerated.

    That brings me to another theme I'm not fond of: Sunlight killing Vampires. It makes no sense (yes, yes, I know, suspension of disbelief blah blah blah). I much prefered how the whole day and night issue worked in Stoker's novel (and in the Coppola version of the movie I think) Dracula didn't die in the sunlight, but he was weaker during the day, able to change at dawn, noon, or dusk, stronger at night and strongest at midnight. Yeah it also doesn't make tons of sense, but it's a little more reasonable than exploding into flames when trying to get a tan.

    "My Best Friend is a Vampire" is great.
    • Re: Themes You Hate

      Wed, April 28, 2004 - 10:45 AM
      What I can't stand are the toadying underlings and love-interests who are "dying" to be undead. I think I need to write a story about a vegetarian love interest who loves her vampire man but refuses to be turned because it would be an infringement on her lifestyle choice. Not like she could live on vegetable and fruit juice! heheheh

      Or maybe I just read too much Bunnicula and saw too much Count Duckula as a child. lol

      And I agree, "My Best Friend is a Vampire" is one of the all time greats. That and "Once Bitten."
      • Re: Themes You Hate

        Wed, April 28, 2004 - 11:28 PM
        Oh God!!!

        I LOVE the Bunnicula series!!!

        The Celery Stalks at Midnight was my favorite!!
        • Re: Themes You Hate

          Thu, April 29, 2004 - 10:17 AM
          oh m'gawd - there's a whole SERIES on Bunicula??

          I only read the first one when I was a wee-childe... didn't even know they continued the series. (*gawd - ok, trying to think of a good way to maintain macho-image while going thru the children's section of "Borders Books" looking for tales of the vampire bunny*)
          • Re: Themes You Hate

            Thu, April 29, 2004 - 10:42 AM
            Hmm, I think there's three or four books. I don't remember now...
            Bunnicula
            Celery Stalks at Midnight
            Howliday Inn...

            Was there another?
          • Re: Themes You Hate

            Sun, May 16, 2004 - 2:12 PM
            E.C., you could always take the cowards way and order from Amazon! ;) I personally think it is much more mannly to brave the crowds and make the purchase at "Borders Books"!
            • Re: Themes You Hate

              Sun, May 16, 2004 - 6:46 PM
              I must be a veritable Paladin knight then...
              I work at a Borders. heh

              Oh, and I remembered the fourth book now,
              it was Return to Howliday Inn
              (actually I just shelved it earlier tonight heh)
  • Re: Themes You Hate

    Thu, April 29, 2004 - 11:36 AM
    OK, and I might be in the minority here, but I usually hate when a vampire's bit will instantly transform a person into a super-sexy suave bloodsucker. I know there's a school of thought that a vampire needs to seduce it's prey, but it seems like it's just lazy writing most of the time in thathe writer can't make the vampire interesting enough on his/her own.

    I also hate in films when the effects of a bite are inconsistent, such as when in the same film some people are killed and others are turned into vampires but there's no rhyme or reason to it (would a vampire REALLY want to turn a bunch of other people into vampires and not only create competition but lessen the blood supply?). Or when some people are turned into snarling mindless bloodsuckers and others are the above-mentioned seducers.

    -Frank
    • Re: Themes You Hate

      Thu, April 29, 2004 - 4:14 PM
      Hmmm, I believe that the inconsistency of vampire vs mindless zombi-vamp was mentioned in Blade and the vampires didn't understand it themselves. But I think the best use of this inconsistency occured in Barbara Hambly's Travelling with the Dead, a sequal to Those Hunt the Night... two very original and fun vampire novels.

      And I've read a few stories and comics where the vampire wasn't all suave and seductive. I think the most hilarious was done by Jhonen Vasquez (creator of Invader Zim, but more importantly Johnny the Homicidal Maniac and Squee), but I forget which JTHM book. Guess you'll just have to buy all his twisted comics if you really want to find it. heh
  • Re: Themes You Hate

    Fri, April 30, 2004 - 6:11 PM
    One of the things I hate most about the vampire genre is that those who write it seldom do any research beyond seeing a few vampire horror movies or maybe reading a few fictional works. Perhaps I'm just a purist, but there is a wealth of folklore which has been completely excluded from vampire fiction. That's not to say that some of the fiction isn't good, but I'd like to see more historical/folkloric research put into vampire stories.

    For instance... very few vampires in folklore have an "allergy" to the sun. And the not crossing running water phobia applies entirely to Chinese vampires. No other vampire species has that problem... though werewolves do.

    In the movies and some books, the vampire doesn't have a reflection. Why? They rarely say.
    ...It's because the vampire is said not to have a soul, and one's reflection in any surface is the image of the soul, not the person's physical body. Incidently, this is why vampires in folklore often don't have shadows, but conversely those that do have shadows can use them to afflict anyone the shadow falls upon.

    There's just so much that they don't use in the books. It's unreal. The vampires in fiction just aren't "real" vampires.
    • Re: Themes You Hate

      Tue, May 18, 2004 - 5:29 PM
      I'd just love to see a Vampire that is happy & content with his lifestyle & isn't all encompassing evil.
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        Re: Themes You Hate

        Sat, March 10, 2007 - 1:04 PM
        I know this is an old post,just read it.I have to say the one thing I hate the most is how sometimes vampires in movies are protrayed so onesidedly,as little more than bloodsucking zombies and always killed predictibly.No depth or complexity,or humor for that matter.I agree with what Erick posted earlier,it would be rather interesting to see an vampire happy and content with their lifestyle,humor for one.I'm sick of the themes repeated in John carpenter's Vampires,and Dracula 2000...that whole saving the virturious woman rutine from damation really makes me yawn.Well anyway my 2 cents worth.

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